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From: Lexicor@world.std.com
Subject: Please Read {ADMIN}
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 23:55:09 -0400 (EDT)
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Welcome to the gem-list
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About the Mailing List
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This list is designed to bring together all GEM programmers in order to
establish a 'style guide'. The first topic will be keyboard shortcuts
standards.
Once a 'style guide' is agreed, I will make sure it is published in several
magazines, PD libraries and ftp sites. WIth a bit of luck we'll reach such
agreement.
A note from the admin
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This list is a free service and I cannot warrant for anything that has been
said in the list, I will however kindly ask that this list should not be
filled with:
1. flames, accusations or abusive language
2. advertisement or forsale posts
I will also kindly ask that you do not subscribe with a wrong email
account (make sure there are no typos) that I need to approve, if a message
get's bounced I will receive the bulk of bounced messages, and I will
delete that person from the list if the messages bounce for longer than
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unsubscribe. I will post in comp.sys.atari.st the bounced message people
so that they may be able to get back to me if there was a mistake.
There are no set rules in this gem-list other than what is considered
standard "netiquette", I will also not tolerate any bashings on anyone
or any company on this particular list, constructive criticism is one
thing, destructive bashing and flaming is another.
Sincerely,
Yat Siu
-ysiu@lexicor.com (list-admin for majordomo gem-list)
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Hello GEM developer,
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT FOLLOWS
The GEM user interface has recently matured into a generally
non-modal, multi-tasking environment. Thanks to many developers
such as 2B (Mag!X), Gribnif (Geneva) and authors of many
excellent GEM programs (mainly in Germany, but also in the US, UK
and other countries) we now have a very nice environment to work
with.
One of the main problems for users, which have been exprssed to
me by many users is the lack of standards, or that there are too
many standards. It seems the German programmers have got their
keyboard shortcuts sorted, but some of their standards contradict
the Atari Style Guide as published in the Atari Compendium and
the developer docs from Atari.
Since Atari do not seem to be getting invloved in this area, it's
about time that some communication started between developers
across the globe. The Atari market is too small for too many
systems. Both Geneva and Mag!X should maintain a high degree of
compatibility, and authors of programs should do as much as
possible to keep to the standards.
The problem is now to agree on a standard interface, and the
first topic I would like to discuss is the issue of keyboard
shortcuts. I have laid out a proposal for a standard and have
discussed it at length on CIX - the UK main BBS for ST
users/programmers. My proposal is a PROPOSAL, I do not wish to
dictate my ideas. I just want a standard to work to.
I invite you alnog with many other developers to take part in
this discussion. If we reach agreement, I will personally make
sure that the standard is published in several ST magazines,
placed on FTP sites and is also available in a printed form at a
minimal cost to cover printing cost.
Yat Siu of Lexicor has been kind enough to allow use of his
system to start a mail list for this purpose. I have to stress
here that Lexicor do not have any 'special' interest in this
discussion, although I am sure Yat will want to express his
opinions just like everyone else. I urge everyone to put
competition aside and to join the mail list. Once we got the
keyboard shortcuts standardised we can look at universal
implementation of the VA_START protocol, a FAX protocol, adding
menu items to programs (Windows style), enhanced GEM Clipboard
and anything else we think is useful.
The mail list is ready for use, once there are enough people
subscribed I will post my keyboard shortcuts proposal and
discussion can start. I already have incorporated some
ammendments suggested by Wilfried Behne (Mag!X, NVDI).
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I look forward to your suggestions.
Ofir Gal
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Ofir ogal@cix.compulink.co.uk
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